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- By Josh Laytheodds
- Published 7/07/2006
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Josh Laytheodds
Now an independent writer for www.laytheodds.com, I was initially only betting on football for fun at school with my friends and generally did well. I must have been about twelve when my dad, an accountant for a large insurance company in London at the time, entered me in a World Cup prediction competition with about 50 of his colleagues. I came second and, with the top three sharing the £1250 total prize money, won a lot of money for myself. >From then on, my dad often came to me on advice on correct scores and he won more than he lost.
As soon as I was old enough, I began betting in bookies myself and it all took on from there really. I've tried other sports apart from football, too, but wasn't anywhere near as successful, although at the time of writing, I'm studying horse racing a lot as I view my one-dimensional betting as a personal betting weakness.
Fortunately I was never what you'd call a 'mug punter'. I understood the concepts of good money management, looking for the biggest price and the importance of finding value very early on. Time passed and I'd currently call myself a part-time punter, although I use the term lightly as I do a lot of trading on betfair and play a little poker. The other part of my income comes from journalism and football coaching, mainly working with kids in academies.
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This is a short series of profitable trading strategies. Completely different to the analytical approach of assessing weight of money and studying price/volume charts (not that there is anything wrong with this method at all).
I will cover several methods, all of which I’ve used, although there are many other strategies out there involving everything ranging from horse racing to cricket and even Big Brother! I’m sorry if you find my explanations patronising, but this is written for rookie traders and punters to follow as well as those already fluent with many of the basic concepts involved with trading.
As well as providing strategies you can use to make money on now, I hope the article also gives you the knowledge to go and create your own methods for your own specific needs. After all, individual study is the only way a punter/trader can ever learn to stand on their own two feet.
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Part 1:
Strategy 1: Laying the draw in football
My personal favourite of all the listed strategies, mainly because, if you apply this tactic to the correct type of match, you are almost guaranteed to profit 100% of the time. I’ll explain what I mean by ‘the correct type of match’ later. For now, here is a summary of what the system involves.
The concept is simple - when a goal is scored in a football match, the prices of all the match outcomes (home win, away win or draw) changes. How it changes depends on many factors such as which team scores the goal and the time of the goal. In this strategy we are trying to lay the draw prior to kick-off, with the aim of backing it at a higher price, once the first goal is scored, therefore securing a tidy profit.
For example, say Liverpool are playing at home to Portsmouth. Liverpool, odds-on at 1.45 are expected to win the game and should score the first goal. In this event the price of the draw (7.20) would drift out, and you would then back the draw at the new price, giving yourself a free bet or equal profits whatever the outcome, depending on how you choose to play it.
This on its own however, is fundamentally flawed, for two main reasons. Can you think why?
If you came to the conclusion that either the underdog, so Portsmouth in the previous example, might score first or the game could finish 0-0, commend yourself. Obviously, should the unfancied side score first, the draw odds you steam, leaving you in a nasty position. Similarly, if no goal was scored, the price of the draw you continue to steam, further and further inwards, leaving you out of pocket.
The good news, however, is that both of these problems can be rectified leaving us with the perfect strategy (or at least I’ve never lost money this way after using it many times to make money). I discuss how we nullify the risk of the 0-0 and the underdog scoring in the next section. For now, I leave you asking if you can think of what the solutions are? It’s not a brain teaser, the answers are straight-forward and this is just a simple exercise to help you solve your own problems when/if you create strategies like this on your own.
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Part 2:
Strategy 1: Laying the draw in football (continued)
Do you think you have the solution to the problem we had earlier on in ‘Part 1’? Congratulations if you came up with the idea to back the 0-0 so that, if it wins, it covers the liability of your lay in the correct scores market, to eliminate the chance that the game could finish scoreless, and potentially penniless.
Equal congratulations if you were able to think of only choosing games where the two teams had a relatively equal chance of winning, to eradicate the possibility of an unfancied underdog like Sunderland scoring against one of the footballing giants like Manchester United.
Simply add these new filters to the previous version of the lay-the-draw theory discussed in ‘Part 1’ and you create a no lose situation for yourself.
Below is a real example of the type of game you should looking for and one that I put money on. It occurred during the 2006 World Cup. In a quarter-final match, an impressive looking Argentina were drawn to play host nation, Germany. Many people predicted the winners of this game would win the tournament, and the odds represented the game would be a tight affair. Germany were slightly favourites at 2.80, the draw was available at 3.15 and Argentina were also available to back at 3.15. The fact that the odds suggested the game would be close meant that there was no real underdog, meaning, regardless of which country scored the first goal, the price of the draw would still shoot up afterwards, to be backed at a higher price.
Confident I had created a no-lose situation, the draw was layed for a £465, giving a liability just under £1000 and, to cover my loss in the event of a 0-0, I backed the 0-0 at for £120 11.0, to leave me with a tidy profit, of £80, if the score finished 0-0. (£1080 from the 0-0 win after 5% comm. take away the £1000 liability lost on the draw lay).
The game promptly started and I sat back waiting for the first goal. Argentina provided it and the price of the draw shot up immediately after the brief suspension that occurs once a goal is scored. I backed the draw at 6.50 with a stake of £250, knowing I’d just secured a nice profit, for doing very little.
As it turned out, the game was a great example of why discipline is so important. I could have been greedy and waited a while trying to get a higher price for the draw. This could have been disastrous for me, because, as it turned out the Germans equalised and the match ended 1-1 (with Germany going through on penalties). Consequently, the price of the draw dropped to odds-on and, had I not stuck to the rules strictly and secured my profits immediately after the first goal, I would have been down a lot of money!
In the end, my profit/loss figures from the game were as follows…
£1375 - £1000 = £375 (or £356.25 after comm.. on net winnings)
£356.25) - £120 = £236.25
PROFIT/LOSS = + £236.25
Not bad for less than an hours work!
NOTE:
With regards to where the figures from the calculations come from.
£1375 comes from winning the £250 back at odds of 6.5
£1000 comes from the liability of the £465 stake used to lay the draw
£120 comes from the stake used to back the 0-0
Final thoughts:
That completes the first strategy I will discuss in this mini series. I hope it was useful for you.
Before ending, however, here are a few bullet points of things you might also want to consider with this strategy, that I haven’t mentioned thus far.
- I always ensure with my 0-0 backing stake that, in the event of a 0-0, I will come out with a little bit of profit. An alternative to this is just to back the 0-0 to cover the liability of the draw lay and nothing more. In the likely event of that a goal is scored, you will make more money this way. I must emphasise, however, that, if you choose, like me, to ensure you’ll make profit on the game if the score ends 0-0 it’s important not to be too greedy with the profit you try and make. Firstly, the chance that the game will end 0-0 is slim, and secondly if you back the 0-0 with too high a stake, you may struggle to make profit overall on the draw trade, when a goal is scored.
- If possible, it’s always best to find games where goals are expected. These games often have high odds for the 0-0 scoreline. This means you can put less money to back your draw liability and should manage to lock in more profit when/if a goal is scored.
- If a bookie is offering a price in their ‘no goalscorer’ market that is roughly the same as the price on Betfair for the 0-0, I’d advise you to back the bookie with the ‘no goalscorer’ instead. The reason is simple. When backing ‘no goalscorer’ own goals don’t apply. So, if the game finished 3-3, but all the goals were own goals, you’d still win your ‘no goalscorer’ bet! Many people don’t know this, but for most bookies it’s true. This means that, every so often, when you trade on a game that finishes 1-0 with an own goal scored, you can make massive, massive profits, because you win the ‘no goalscorer’ as well as making a successful trade. You may remember England’s opening game of the 2006 World Cup. It finished 1-0 to England and the Paraguay a defender nodded the ball into his own net! I used this strategy for that game and needless to say I made a small fortune. Don’t just back ‘no goalscorer’ for the sake of it, though. Make sure you’ve got good value by ensuring it’s a similar price to the 0-0 on betfair. If there is a massive difference, simply go with betfair and back the 0-0, instead.
- I’ve never had this happen to me in a game I was trading in before, luckily, but at some point you may trade a game with this strategy and find one team has a player sent off before a goal is scored. Now, as I say, I’ve never encountered this, so I’m not sure how the market would react, but it’s possible, this could mean you make a loss, if the market goes against you. However, I would imagine, when a player gets sent of, the price of the draw increases. If this is the case, which it should be, I would advise you to trade the draw for a small profit, and also lay the 0-0 for a smaller price, ensuring a profit in that market, too. To be unfortunate enough to encounter a loss, I’d imagine you’d have to be very unlucky and have someone sent off in the first minute, but, generally, after 5 minutes, the 0-0 price drifts in more and more, so you should be able to close both trades for the draw and the 0-0 and come out in profit, when someone is sent off. If some gets sent off after the first goal, it’s not really a problem. By then you should have traded out and made your profit already. The good news, however, is this is the only event, I can think of, that could affect the trade negatively, and 99% of the time, you should still make a profit! J
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39 Responses to "Profitable Trading Strategies" 
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said this on 03 Oct 2006 10:38:20 PM UTC
I used to lay draw-back draw without backing 0-0. I thought about it some day and made some aproximations on paper what would happen if I back 0-0 too, but found out that the profit would be very small. Depends the minute the goal is scored. What you said is true, you don't have to get greedy on backing 0-0, because iti would get hard on backing the draw after the goal is scored, and often the odds after the first goal is scored between 2 teams with equal chances doesn't over 4.5. Anyway you cand get profit from this every day when a match like this is available in play. Nice stategy. I vote you with a maximum 5...good luck
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said this on 03 Nov 2006 10:31:40 AM UTC
Draw went up to 6.5 after a goal in a match like that?????
sorry but ur lying.if it was 3.15 before a goal,it would be 3.5 max after a goal. |
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said this on 05 Nov 2006 8:52:20 PM UTC
Nice strategy, i see only 2 faults with it.
1. If a goal falls early it will result in a loss. The odds for the draw won't rise sufficiently for you to cover your 0-0 bet. (even if you're modest enough to only go for breakeven in the case of 0-0). 2. The worst thing that can happen though is if 1-1 happens during the play suspension on betfair. In this case you'll be seriously out of pocket. |
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said this on 18 Jan 2007 9:10:24 PM UTC
thank you very much for your advice that is a jem of info i have often lost because of the 0 0 scoreline i cant thank you enought any more advice, hope i not been to greedy. god bless you and thanks again. eddie
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said this on 01 Feb 2007 12:25:58 PM UTC
Brilliant.Have already made money with this. Thanks very much.
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said this on 09 Feb 2007 9:29:31 PM UTC
great article, will be putting to good use
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said this on 22 Feb 2007 8:12:24 PM UTC
Thanks for this - a very useful strategy, which I have followed over the past few weeks. One thing I have noticed on a few occasions, is that after the first goal has been scored the draw odds have only increased by 1 0r 2 points, which gave very little margin. maybe i didn't choose two teams as evenly matched as you suggest. I have a simple Excel spreadsheet which after putting in marked cells,stake,odds etc, shows what if situations, etc. I love it. thanks
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said this on 23 Feb 2007 2:52:11 PM UTC
something is good.
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said this on 09 Mar 2007 11:37:03 AM UTC
ODDS OF 6.5 WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN OFFERED AFTER ARGENTINA SCORED TO MAKE IT 1-0, MORE LIKE 4.5 AT THE VERY BEST.
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said this on 14 Mar 2007 9:21:25 AM UTC
In these strategy it is not mentioned the possibiliy to a quick draw after the first goal, (that happens from time to time) in that situation we will lose the 0-0 bet and the draw bet...
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said this on 18 Mar 2007 8:19:15 PM UTC
why would he lie about the odds?very good strategy i use it all the time
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said this on 21 Apr 2007 10:17:57 PM UTC
Good idea in theory but I find it hard to believe that the odds on the draw moved out as much as you say immediateley after the first goal - maybe had it been scored at 80 mins i'd agree but 1st half and early second half goals tend to move the price a few ticks at most in my experience. As long as your not too aggressive with the 0-0 bet you should make a SMALL profit though. Good article none the less.
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said this on 09 May 2007 2:55:28 PM UTC
Although I am already familiar with this, The article could not have been explained more clearly.
The main problem I have found with laying the draw so far, which I do only when both teams are 2.00 or longer, is that the draw price rarely moves out by more than 1 point until about 75 minutes, unless the team leading 1 - 0 scores a second. Taking out 0-0 cover takes away most of the profit so I have to do without it. I opened a trade on Oxford v Exeter last night at half time with the score at 1 - 1. Exeter scored a second on 70 minutes. They were easily the better team, but the draw price only reached a paltry 4.9 after 80 minutes. I couldn't risk waiting any longer and had to trade out at this price. I think that both teams would need to be over 2.50 to take out 0-0 cover. Otherwise, if you trade out when the draw price has only moved out slightly takes nearly all of the profit away if you take out 0-0 cover. Perhaps you have some analysis of my thoughts. I've only been trading for about 2 weeks though! ( about 10 trades) Keep these great articles coming. Cheers Steve |
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said this on 08 Jul 2007 7:15:20 AM UTC
I agree with Steve Hughes. I've studied a number of matches between teams which are evenly matched. If 1 of them scores a goal the odds for the draw rarely moves much at all. The general trend that I've seen is that the odds for the team that scored are reduced and the odds for the team that conceded the goal increase but the odds for the draw don't change enough to trade out. The only situation I can see when this strategy will work is if the first goal is scored late on in the game.
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said this on 08 Jul 2007 8:14:39 AM UTC
Hi Everyone,
Josh here - I wrote this article. First off: Thanks for all the comments (both good and bad). Just to address a few things: I wrote this article a long time ago (this article could be over a year old now, in fact). A fact of betting is that many good strategies become less effective over time and this strategy is a prime example. Maybe it's just too many people seeing this article and testing the strategy, maybe it's something else. In any case, I can understand why some people might question the jump in odds because currently - over a year since I wrote this article - the price jumps are much smaller purely due to many people now sing this strategy (and causing it to be less effective). Having said that, people can still make very good money from this strategy and no doubt about some shrewd punters will be using this exact same strategy to make thousands of pounds. Before I sign-out, let me leave you with this thought: try to think about small tweaks that you could use to ever-so-slightly change this strategy (tweaks the masses of punters who know about this strategy will be missing) and you might just double your expected ROI for each trade ;) - Joshua. P.S. Maybe I'll write another article on the 'tweaks' I'm talking about soon. Would you guys be interested in such an article? |
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said this on 18 Jul 2007 9:46:19 PM UTC
This strategy has worked brilliantly for me over the past year. Yes I agree the margins seem to be getting smaller, but I am still making a decent profit on a regular basis.
If you are not making money from it you really need to take a step back and think what you may be doing wrong (choosing the wrong games, getting too greedy by holding on for the goal etc...). Keep a log of the games you trade on, look back and analyse your decisions. This can help you move forward to becoming a better trader. I do recommend trading out at half time if there have been no goals scored, from my experience this is the optimum time to get out. Best of luck Jon |
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said this on 22 Jul 2007 7:24:26 PM UTC
Hi,
Have been using the strategy over the summer months. It seems to work very well (my starting bank has doubled so far) but I think it will work even better when the premiership starts back up in august. Any tweaks anyone can suggest to increase my profit levels per match would be appreciated! thanks Gerry |
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said this on 23 Jul 2007 4:21:55 PM UTC
1. I can't understand, how author got got 1080 from 1320 with 5% commisions.
2. £1375 - £1000 = £375 (or £356.25 after comm.. on net winnings) - It's not true: you must count 5% from 1375 and than -1000, so you get 306.50, not 356.25 3. So after that, teoretically strategy is not bad, practically i don't believe in that coef. 6.5 and your numbers with mistakes say me not to believe, that you played that match by yourself. |
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said this on 24 Jul 2007 6:08:33 PM UTC
I would agree with the others here...odds would not have moved out to 6.5.
Having said that, the theory is good (this is the best laying the draw article I have read to date). If you dont seem to be having much luck, its just a case of sticking with it, I nearly gave upi after 2 weeks but now am glad I didnt! Neil |
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said this on 16 Aug 2007 8:55:44 PM UTC
This may have worked in the past but the margins are too tight now
When a team scores the odds to back a draw just dont go up enough. |
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said this on 30 Aug 2007 10:35:07 AM UTC
What would you do in a worst case scenario where the 1st goal is scored, and when betting is still suspended an equaliser is scored?
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said this on 04 Sep 2007 12:41:19 AM UTC
In Copa America 2007. From 250 units i turned on in 2500 units with this strategy. Most of the goals in Copa America 2007 were scored before the 20 minutes of the game, so this bet was the bet and easy to make. I love S. American leagues.
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said this on 01 Nov 2007 8:51:39 PM UTC
thank you for an intresting article
a few questions please if i may a team score in the first few mins and ive layed the draw and the odds dont move all that much because the games only just started do i wait till the odds drift hoping theres not an equlizer also how do i calculate my stakes before betting on the 0-0 lay draw then back draw. cheers for your exerlent work frank |
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said this on 10 Jan 2008 9:03:28 PM UTC
Use soccermystic to look at what will happen during a match if a goal is scored then you can decide for yourself if it really works.
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said this on 12 Jan 2008 10:47:09 AM UTC
Interesting article, but it's hard to belive that the odds in the Argentina - Germany game went up till 6.5. I really doubt it. Anyway it's nice strategy, theoretically, but practically to find a match where you can even make a small profit is very hard. I would like to ask if someone of you guys could give me a recent match/example where this strategy could have been used succesfully.
Thanks Steve |
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said this on 14 Jan 2008 6:45:27 PM UTC
very good article,good luck mate
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said this on 25 Jan 2008 7:47:45 AM UTC
Dear readers ,
Look this system is very very risky to loose your money. Believe me( ! ). The best strategy is :::::: 1. Lay the Draw AND 2. Back correct score " 1 - 1 " NO TRADING....(!!!!!!!) simple.... Dutching Another also very good system which i'm use is.... Back Over 2,5 goals and cover with 1-1 or 2-0 correct score. |
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said this on 04 Feb 2008 2:42:09 AM UTC
2 things, first, it is impossible that the odds for the draw in the Argentina - Germany game drifted out to 6.5 after argentina scored.
second nowadays this strategy will not work unless the goal 1st goal is scored after minute 70, otherwise the odds will not move enough for you to trade out with a profit. This is my blog about laying the draw, it is in spanish, but you can translate it if you want. http://lay5.blogspot.com/ |
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said this on 24 Feb 2008 12:19:58 PM UTC
good article
there are people out there trying to sell the same strategy for 50 quid or more i used this strategy on 3 games yesterday birmingham v arsenal wolfsburg v berlin dortmund v rostock made a profit on 2games, and small loss on wolfsburg 0-0 |
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said this on 11 Apr 2008 2:40:55 PM UTC
The basic premise still holds good. However, it would be nice to find those mystical tweaks.
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said this on 28 May 2008 6:42:59 PM UTC
I have seen matches before where the second goal is scored seconds after the first.If that where to happen am I not fooked
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said this on 24 Aug 2008 12:22:59 PM UTC
Joshua. P.S. Maybe I'll write another article on the 'tweaks' I'm talking about soon. Would you guys be interested in such an article?
Yes i would love to read the 'tweak' as soon as possible. Thanks |
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said this on 21 Sep 2008 9:35:54 PM UTC
I'd love to see a followup too.
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said this on 03 Nov 2008 12:37:44 PM UTC
Excellent idea , would love those tweaks though as it is very hard to get decent profit now , unlees 1st goal is very late in game.
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said this on 08 Nov 2008 12:11:06 AM UTC
The only time draw odds drift out dramatically is when an odds on favourite scores first against a big underdog. Example being Man United v West Brom. The odds of a draw with Argentina and Germany would never have drifted to 6+ so early. You'd be waiting until the 70-80 minute mark for that to happen. After all it is said Germany at the start were slightly favoured more than Argentina!
Trading is an evil game. It cuts your profits down alot for small wins. You got to win so many before you can lose one. They say it rarely happens, but actually the losses can come quite frequent when you least expect it. |
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said this on 16 Nov 2008 12:10:56 PM UTC
Hi, I'm new here. Does someone has something new and up to date apart from the 'lay the draw' strategy, something which does not need you to be in-play? I would also like to know how to make the best with half time/full time?
Thanks, Regards. |
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said this on 26 Dec 2008 10:55:14 PM UTC
the tweaks are:
take the basics of the strategy and use it to create your own the basics are: lay low and back high or the other way around the problems are : when lots of sheeps doing the same at the same time my first idea without thinking about: do the opposite-when half of england lay the draw back it - its value ... |


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